
A still from Saddam's execution video prior to the act.
Television networks and other news outlets have had their hands full this New Year's Eve as the video of Saddam's execution has emerged and producers and management are left trying to strike a balance between 'reporting the whole story' without being tasteless.
Meanwhile an execution video, recorded on a cell phone, is shown in full on Arab television stations and was uploaded in it's entirety to sites such as the Something Awful forums, the Drudge Report, YouTube and Netscape.
The question of whether to allow the video on Netscape was an interesting one for me since, as some of you know, I work there. That particular decision fell solely to the General Manager after another member uploaded the content, and he chose not to remove or censor it, stating that it "depicts violence with journalistic merit, as Saddam Hussein's execution is a historic event." The video quickly garnered over 160,000 views in less than a day's time, doubling Michael Richard's racist tirade as the most watched video ever on the site. Over at YouTube, users have flagged the video seen over 40,000 times as graphic, though administrators have chosen, as they usually do, not to not pull the content. MSNBC has reportedly served up its version of the execution nearly 3 million times on Saturday alone.
At MSNBC.com, Editor-in-chief Jennifer Sizemore notes that while some footage of Saddam is shown "There is footage that we are not publishing: We believe you count on us to maintain standards and consistency in our coverage." CNN also takes the same route, showing images and video before and after Hussein's death, but not the act itself. Most other news networks outside of the Middle East have adopted similar before/after rules.
Hussein's execution is no doubt an event of historic importance. There is no question of the atrocities Saddam committed for decades while in power, and that he was afforded a trial by his peers prior to his execution speaks volumes. There are, however, many other videos of journalistic merit that never gain media coverage, such as the beheading of kidnapped American Nick Berg in 2004, as noted by the Hollywood Reporter.
For many deep-rooted cultural reasons, Iraqis would need to see proof of Hussein's execution. Indeed, many in the Iraqi public did not believe the death of Hussein's sons until the images of their corpses were made public. What reasoning, though, is there for wanting to see Hussein's execution outside of Iraq, what purpose does it serve? Would the global community not believe Saddam was dead otherwise? Doubtful. Saddam was a bad man, who received an execution far more humane than the ones he dealt out... but he was still a man, and a video of someone being killed/executed is quite tasteless no matter what their notoriety.
Where does the line fall once broadcasting/circulating a video of a person's execution becomes 'okay?' If there were a presidential sex of Clinton back in his Lewinsky days, would that become okay to publish? It was after all, a historic event, the perjury of which caused Clinton to be impeached. Surely sex acts aren't more offensive than watching someone die.
The New York Times published a roundup of media coverage for Saddam's execution.
An excerpt:
As the deadline loomed, and commentators filled time with pronouncements like "the clock is ticking on Saddam Hussein," even on-air personalities looked restless. After devoting his entire hour on CNN to the impending hanging, Larry King asked, "Is there something ghoulish about this?" Mr. King looked a little let down when he had to sign off before the execution, promising viewers, "It is really imminent now."
So back to the original question, is it journalism or voyeurism? Apparently it's both.
I've chosen not to link to these videos deliberately; they're out there and if you want to view them, you can find them easily enough.
I find the entire drum-head trial and execution of a little tinpot pawn in The Great Game a watershed act of barbarism unworthy of any self-respecting species. Despicable beyond expression.
I agree with you, breacadh. It's sick. This whole saga has turned into a morbid spectacle, a New Year's Eve special event for the masses. Ugh.
I think it's morbid that people are taking pleasure from seeing a man die. Whatever he may have done in his lifetime, it says a lot about people when they actually take pleasure from watching a fellow human being die. I use the phrase, What has society come to?
What has society come to?.........the same thing it's historically ALWAYS come to........morbid fascination with death.
You are aware that as late as Victorian times hangings were public entertainment in London aren't you? It's not a question of what we've come to, it's a question of why we haven't come further.
I can understand not broadcasting the video on television, but I see nothing wrong with a news organization making the video available online. Like it or not, there is a market for it.
Putting it online gives users the option to decide whether they really want to see it, with an appropriate warning, of course. The media should be facilitating our news gathering, not obstructing it. Raw videos are often receive the most hits on news sites. A Seattle TV station put the raw video from a fight outside a courtroom in a juvenile murder case and it's one of the most viewed videos it had ever posted.
It happened, no matter your personal feelings about it. If you don't want to see it, don't click.
When any of those become a legitimate news event - possibly affecting the lives of millions of people - we'll talk.
There's a market for "fake" snuff films. I've read that real snuff films are thought to be an urban legend. As for foot porno -- if people like, it -- more power to them.
Not really comparable to the hanging of a real person, whether he was a tyrant or not.
I disagree with you, Brian. The fact that it's a real video is what makes it all the more sick. Pornography is fake, acted out, "unreal". This video, on the other hand, shows the actual execution of a man. The recorded footage of a fellow human being put to death. It's pathetic and grotesque that there are thousands, if not millions, of people who actually want to watch this video, for entertainment purposes or otherwise. The people who need to see this are the ones whose job it is to. That is why the government carries out executions (in states where the death penalty is still a form of punishment), and not vigilante citizens who get thrills from this kind of thing. I feel ashamed by the fact that the Saddam video is one of the most watched videos online.
How do you disagree with me? I stated that the hanging video was worse because it is real, and that appears to be the premise of your comment, as well.
I think you've misread my point.
It seems I have.
I think that Saddam's execution is historically important, but that the pure fact of the number of times the video has been viewed and many of the discussions over the video makes it more voyeurism than journalism.
And I completely agreed with Smaran that it is a sad statement of society with the death of a person causes this much pleasure (it makes me ill even to attach that word). For many - too many - people who were directly affected by his horrendous acts, I can sympathize with a sort of joy that he is forever removed from the world. But it shouldn't be the joy that someone derives from an event such as watching their favorite football team win.
I don't believe in the death penalty under any circumstances. However, it appears that the execution of Saddam is important to many people in his society - and that seeing the event - or, at least, the body - is an integral part of that. If that is necessary for the Iraqis to start to heal and find some sort of peace - then I will have to stomach it. What's done is done. But for Americans and other world citizens to be watching this video simply out of lurid fascination and a disgusting desire to watch this horrible man's death disturbs me at a deep level. It is the same repulsion I feel for people who delight in sites like rotten.com or in images and videos from events like the Columbine shootings.
I have watched a televised execution - it was required for my sociology course - and it shook me and I will forever remember it. To say I regret watching it is an understatement. There is a part of me that will always feel dirty.
I understand curiosity and that this video is a great one. But I believe that individuals need to really examine what they bring into their homes and their minds.
Agree with you on all points, Miss Dev. Executing someone is bad enough, but you have to wonder at the impulse that moves people to want to see it. It's sickening to think of all the children who would have downloaded it. As Breacadh said, it's barbaric and despicable.
I watched it. I think its necessary to both show proof of death, and to stop any CT's from creeping up. I think it will also be an important tool in showing the resolve and direction of Iraqis. I dont for a second regret watching it, and I think personally that our media is too sensitive to such realistic things such as death. Just my two cents. Not that I condone looping it on cable news, but people have a right to see these kinds of things should they choose to.
Then, is our media too sensitive to such realistic things as abortion and sex? Why can't we show graphic sex on TV? (It's arguably more "real" than human induced killing.)
I found the pre-hanging video to be sickening. I'm glad I've not seen the deed itself. If I did, I know I'd feel sick about it as well. And I'd be proud of that feeling.
I saw it, Brian, and it sickened me to the core. I didn't even realise it was the full footage until it was too late, as a previous video I'd found through digg stopped at fastening of the noose.
I watched it. I think its necessary to both show proof of death, and to stop any CT's from creeping up.
Like the video of the planes hitting the towers kept any CTs from cropping up? With the pre-established mythology of Saddam's surgically altered doubles already in place, I predict that the video will do nada in this regard. There are still people out there that believe Paul McCartney is dead and Elvis is still alive, after all.
Plus we know that Saddam was secretly inducted into the Skull and Bones Society in the 1980s and is actually living on a Monsanto owned ranch carved out of the Brazilian Rainforest to help Dow in their efforts to re-establish the whaling industry using slave labor recruited from non-violent drug offenders as masterminded by the same cabal that shot both Kennedys.
Like the video of the planes hitting the towers kept any CTs from cropping up?
Nobody seriously argues that planes didn't hit the towers. So yes, those videos HAVE been successful, in that regard.
Nobody seriously argues that planes didn't hit the towers. So yes, those videos HAVE been successful, in that regard.
You'd be surprised.
To further my point, I have also watch the Nick Berg and some other videos of the beheading of innocents by insurgents/terrorists. I find its an important (although sad) way of realizing how serious and brutal our enemies are.
You'd be surprised.
No, I wouldn't... I'm aware of the ridiculous theories that some individuals have put forward, but that's why I used the word "seriously". Perhaps "credibly" would've been a better choice.
I do not dispute your main point, however.
Ditto, I'm just saying, there are still people who think the earth is flat, I'll end my statement there.
Hope you have a great new year though Morwynd!
Thanks, and same to you.
Considering my new year started in bed with a temperature of 102, it can only get better for me. ;)
How many witnesses do we need? I can understand how people who survived his terrorist reign could want to see the actual hanging, but the rest of us ...
Sure people have a right, but does mankind's thirst for violence ever have boundaries? Personally I've seen enough deaths to want to witness yet another. Call me overly sensitive if it makes you feel better.
As a hospice worker I have always found the moment of death to be an extremely private and personal event and should never be exploited for the benefit of others own curiosity.
BUT! Hussein did NOT deserve a private and humane execution. He didn't deserve a humane death - which hanging him I thought was humane compared to the horror he was capable of putting people through before they died - so in my opinion making it public, allowing people to celebrate after years of torment from this person was acceptable I believe. I also think that after so many years of hearing about and watching the devastating things this man did to people - this 1 person deciding to harm and kill so many people - made the hanging a sort of surreal thing. His life of destruction was ending right at that moment and I got to witness it (altho it was after the fact I still pretty much felt like it was happening live). I also wanted to see if he was afraid. I so wanted him to be afraid and I wanted to SEE him be afraid!
I do not watch nor do I want to watch someone being killed who is an innocent victim of some sort (faces of death, rotten). Even animals being killed is difficult for me. He was no victim and I felt no connection as a fellow human being like I would towards you. Any of you. I have been with many people when they have died and have felt both sadness for their families and relief for the person who had been in pain and finally escaped it. I expected some sort of feelings when it happened but I didn't. In all honesty it didn't really affect me. It didn't make me feel better and it certainly didn't make me feel any sympathy towards him ( I did feel bad when I read that one of his daughters had been very upset about this entire ordeal).
Just because someone watches this does not mean it is necessarily for the pleasure of simply watching someone die. There are probably a few issues surrounding their choice that you obviously did not have and that is fine. But I don't believe I am sick for wanting to see this monster go.
Just for the record tho - I do believe that he should not have been executed. He should have been left to sit alone and forgotten about until he died naturally.
I think the video needs to be out there. It is an event of historical importance and I am for as much documentation as possible.
However, I am not going to watch it. It does not interest me in the least and I have no need to study it.
I will use this analogy, archaeologists will dig up grave sites of past civilizations to be studied. I believe this is of importance and is a need. I am just not going to volunteer to assist them.
It doesn't need to be on video sharing sites or "out there" to be available for documentation.
I agree 100%.
This isn't a copy of faces of death, it's an execution that will be compared and contrasted along side historical events such as Nuremburg and other famous war crime punishments. It's a major chapter in the Iraq war, which will be compared and contrasted along side Vietnam. If Iraq emerges a free, functioning society, it will be the symbolic act of their independence -- the trial, conviction and subsequent execution of a brutal dictator by the hands of his own former people.
Information in this category, no matter how unpleasing and disturbing, should be indexed and easily obtained by future generations in their studies. That's the true power of this thing we call the internet. The twisted among us will sadly watch this video with different intent, but I personally think the good outweighs the bad. If nothing else it shows the realities of capitol punishment.
Why does anybody even care about the fate of a Saddam?
In a world of six billion births and deaths, how can the life of a Saddam amount to that of anything more than an average living room nuisance? Even as I deal with a spider that has encroached upon my space, I mean it no harm. I even wish it well. But Saddam? What is a Saddam? Less than my spider, no doubt. Get real people. The fact that a Saddam walked upright and ostensibly possessed 46 chromosomes accords him no favor or respect. He had his opportunity to be other than a mass murderer and he squandered it. Philosophically speaking, morality is enough of a morass without troubling ourselves over the fate of a Saddam. We have better things to trouble over.
Well stated.
Let's put Bush on the end of a rope for his war crimes and I'll watch that.
good god, i forbid you to use that digg talk, young kid.
There is always a sense of relief when a guy like this is taken out, but what about this bunch of wild yahoos immediately after the hanging?
Most telling was the behavior of the living after the execution. Were they fighting over the corpse for a barbecue? If they were happy with their deed then why not laugh and celebrate rather than all this shouting and pushing and shoving? But the press does need to get their stories in.
The venue was rather dreary and probably not even catered. Would a simple deli table with a Kosher section have been too much to ask?
And a memo to costume: lose the slanty eyed executioner masks, they are a racial slur to oriental viewers.
The last paragraph of this article made me think.
Here we are seeing 21st century psychological operations. It's hard to know who is directing this internet traffic, but it can be concluded there were elements within America's government and/or military, working in concert with Iraq's current scarecrow power-holders, who wanted as many people as possible in the world to see Saddam hang. And from that rope hanged not just that bearded old man, but whatever was left of our culture that hasn't been degraded by the 7 years of 'leadership" we've been dragging around with us.
Our cultural slide started, in so many ways, after the assassination of President Kennedy. Our society has allowed it without so much as a whisper of moral outrage. We let it happen to ourselves by standing by without a sound while watching the changes take place under the guise of freedom of speech and political correctness. Afraid to insult anybody, we have become silent. So when we lament the degradation of our culture and look for those to blame, we need to take a long look in the mirror.
i think it should be shown fully on the news. its more likely to make people feel sick. maybe not the first view, but instead of becoming desensitized, the actual moment of the act is likely to make people more sensitive over time. i have watched it about 4 times, and it's now starting to make me feel sick.
the news currently gives us the consequences in a presentable way, desensitizing us. bombing from a distance is fine for news. nobody bothers about that.
i reckon seeing executions will make more people against capital-punishment, the same way people would likely become vegetarian if they saw their meal being prepared in an abattoir.
the context of the official video was also totally misleading. the sectarian shouting and behaviour of the Shi-ites present was a depressing signal.
We had to watch all his slaughter on the news,including people being shot , point blank in the head. Show everyone he is Dead................not Brutal at all....Justice finally server against a Killer of many.Brutal.
...What have we done? What level has this country stooped to by participating in such a horrific act? Can someone (Democrat or Republican) help me to understand what we've accomplished by assisting with this execution?
It is all so sad.
Ok, so it's alright if we are shown images of all the victims of gassing attacks at the hand of this ruthless man? Over and over again, we've seen crystal clear video footage of dead kurdish men, women, children and animals aired completely on all major new stations. They may have at first, given warning about the content however, the night of the execution, the video footage was shown repeatedly with no warning at all. What's the difference between showing hundreds of dead bloating bodies, and the execution of the man who created those hundreds of dead bodies? If you ask me, the man deserved the death penalty and the whole things should have been aired live, on every operable television station possible. maybe the viewing might change a few minds and curb some of the crime this world has come to sadly know.
Carl Sagan once said, "we stand a chance, if humanity does not destroy itself first". To me, it looks like we are well on our way to doing just that. It really is a shame how people are so quick to rush to crime, violence and self-destructive behavior. Our human race will never survive at this pace. The whole course that humanity has chosen to take is what really sickens me.
As I read all of these comments, it appears that all of those critical of the hanging video...watched it!
..absolutely Jim, in the same way that we watch a horrific accident...horrified and deeply saddened.
You guys project too much. You assume the viewers are receiving pleasure from the video. You assume the viewers have a morbid fascination with death. It needs to be seen by some for one reason or another. Nothing more.
What I truly hope is that all the other tyrannical dictators out there see the video and are afraid. For THAT is the purpose of a death penalty, and THAT is a good purpose for posting the video.
"The question of whether to allow the video on Netscape was an interesting one for me since, as some of you know, I work there. That particular decision fell solely to the General Manager ... "
So this stuff on Netscape is selective?? I've seen so much leftist bilgewater there the past few months that I figured anti-U.S. was the only criterion.
As a person opposed to capital punishment, I abhor any state-sponsored killing. However, if executions are the norm, then I am strongly in favor of publicly broadcasting ALL executions, not only for infamous individuals like Saddam, but for all of them.
I believe that the so-called majority of Americans who favor capital punishment would be severely diminished if people actually had to view electrocutions, hangings, and lethal injections.
People who eat meat don't want to see how that meat got to their plate...or how that veal came to be. They just want the food. Imagine the reduction in meat and chicken consumption were people forced to watch how cows are raised and then slaughtered; pigs squealing as they watch their siblings ahead of them being killed; and chickens having their beaks hot-wired off to keep them from pecking other chickens... etc...
The same holds true for all forms of capital punishment. Do we REALLY want to see someone's head fry? Would you feel the same way about killing if you had to watch the foam spill from someone's mouth as they succumb to lethal injections (or take 34 minutes to die, as happened last week).
We in the USA are one of the few countries in the world that kills people, who kill people, to teach people that killing is wrong... What a dichotomy.
I support public broadcast as required viewing, though I have a vision in my head of beer-guzzling idiots gathered round the tube, whooping and hollering in drunken joy while fixated to every detail of execution much like Romans did while entranced by the gladiators in the Colosseum.
Execution is NOT a deterrent.. it is simply revenge.
The only responsible of news media is to report the truth, all of the truth.
The cowards did not dare to unmask their face.
This is a farce ever in human history.
And, the masked men, chanting Sadr, were n0t friends of Bush.
What an imperfect partnership.
Wow. These people are cowards? What about the 100s of videos that have Sunnis not unmasking themselves? Executioners have worn masks for about 1000 years, and the only reason someone would object to it is if they wanted to hunt them down and kill them. I assume that you live in the middle east, so before you call these executioners cowards for not unmasking themselves, call every other executioner one too.
i saw it, and it looked very similar to one of those terrorist beheading videos.
A bunch of hooded men rounding up near the victim, taunting him, and then hanging him brutally.
it was so disorganized, complete lack of respect. The fact that they did this on Eid has angered a lot of sunni muslims, especially those who are doing the Hajj this year.
I really wish he would be spending his life away in jail. A Saddam behind bars for over 20 years would be a much better turnout.
Killing Saddam is not making Iraq any safer.
Zaki, I am glad you are here. I agree with all of your comments in this thread, also about the Digg talk. Let's not stoop to methods like that.
About the hanging - this is the first time I comment - and hear me now: This is reality. Big lump of flesh swinging at the end of the rope. It is what it is. Never mind the standards of the press, the concern for community standards, or the need to check conspiracy theories. This is reality. It is the reality we have made. It is the reality that we must face. The same with the responses, the outrage among Muslims and the sadistic thrill experienced by his enemies - even in this thread.
Saddam's execution should have been broadcast live and aired on pay-per-view to help defray the cost of the war he allowed brought on his people. How long did this pariah dictator defy the United Nations and disregard his own accountability on a world stage? The execution made public sends a clear message and promotes the justice carried out by the Iraqi people,
I wish the elitists would stop denouncing humans. The fact of the matter is is that humans, by nature, are curious. Most people outside of the middle east have never even see someone die outside of a movie, let alone an execution. The fact that books, videogames, television, and even history books mention these and describe the significance is going to create curiosity. I see nothing wrong with it. You can't expect people to be told their whole lives about hangings but never really see one.
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